Most people in the religious world believe that the pastors and elders have been selected and established by the Lord, and that they all serve the Lord in the religious churches; if we follow and obey the pastors and elders, we are actually obeying and following the Lord. As to what exactly is meant by obeying man and following man, and what exactly is meant by obeying God and following God, most people don’t understand this aspect of the truth, so please fellowship this for us.
In religion, some people think religious pastors and elders are all chosen and established by the Lord, and therefore we should obey them. Does such a view have a basis in the Bible? Is it evidenced by the word of the Lord? Does it have theof and the confirmation of the Holy Spirit’s work? If the answers are all no, then doesn’t the majority’s belief that pastors and elders are all chosen and established by the Lord arise from their notions and imaginations? Let’s think about it. In the Age of Law, Moses was chosen and established by God. Does this mean that all Jewish leaders during the Age of Law were chosen and set up by God? In the Age of Grace, the 12 apostles of the Lord Jesus were all personally chosen and appointed by the Lord Jesus Himself. Does this mean that all pastors and elders in the Age of Grace were personally chosen and set up by the Lord? A lot of people like to follow set rules and don’t approach things in accordance with facts. As a result, they blindly worship and follow man. What is the problem here? Why can’t we distinguish between these things? Why can’t we seek the truth on these things?
We can see from what is recorded in the Bible that in every age of His work, God chooses and appoints some people to coordinate with His work. All those personally appointed and used by God have the confirmation of God’s word. Like during the Age of Law, God appointed Moses to lead the Israelites; that is proven by God’s words, just as it’s written in the Bible, “Now therefore, behold, the cry of the children of Israel is come to me: and I have also seen the oppression with which the Egyptians oppress them. Come now therefore, and I will send you to Pharaoh, that you may bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt” (Exo 3:9-10). In the Age of Grace, the Lord Jesus appointed the 12 apostles to shepherd the churches. This is also evidenced by the Lord’s words. Just as the Lord Jesus said when He appointed Peter: “Simon, son of Jonas, love you me? … Feed my sheep” (Jhn 21:17). “And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven” (Mat 16:19). We can see from this that anyone appointed and used by God is personally witnessed by God, there is God’s word as proof and the confirmation from. All their work is upheld by God. Obeying their work and leadership is obeying God. If we resist a person God appoints and uses, we’re resisting God and will be cursed and punished by God. Just like in the Age of Law, Korah, Dathan and their people resisted Moses. What happened in the end? They were directly punished by God. God caused the earth to open and swallow them all. Everyone knows this is a fact. In the Age of Grace, the apostles appointed by the Lord Jesus all have the confirmation of the Lord’s word. But are today’s religious pastors and elders appointed by the Lord? Is it evidenced by the Lord’s word? Most of them are cultivated by theological schools and have graduate certificates in theology. They have become pastors by relying on theology certificates, not because the Holy Spirit personally bore witness to them and used them. Isn’t that a fact? Who among us have heard or seen the Holy Spirit personally bear witness to or appoint any pastor? It never happens! If they are truly appointed by the Lord, there would surely be the true testimony of the Holy Spirit and many believers as witnesses. Therefore, religious pastors and elders are not appointed by the Lord. This is certain! We’ve heard that there are even some pastors who don’t believe the Lord Jesus came from conception by the Holy Spirit. They don’t think “conception by the Holy Spirit” has any basis or conforms with science. It is even less likely these people would admit that Christ is the manifestation of God. If such pastors existed during the time when the Lord Jesus worked, they certainly would not have accepted the Lord Jesus. Then how would they treat the appearance and work of God incarnate in the last days? They would all be like the Jewish chief priests, scribes, and Pharisees, furiously condemning and opposing the Lord Jesus. Are such pastors and elders people who genuinely ? They don’t even incarnate, and moreover don’t acknowledge the truths expressed by God incarnate. Aren’t these people antichrists? So is our view that “Religious pastors and elders are all appointed and used by the Lord” still tenable? If we insist that these pastors and elders are appointed and used by God, then isn’t that slandering and blaspheming God? Would God appoint and use these unbelievers and antichrists to lead God’s chosen people? Isn’t such a viewpoint too absurd, too fallacious? Isn’t this twisting facts and confounding right and wrong?
We are now all clear after the communication. All those appointed and used by God are personally testified to by God, and at least have the confirmation and the effects of the work of the Holy Spirit, and can help God’s chosen people attain life supply and true shepherding. Because God is righteous and holy, all those appointed and used by God are certainly in line with. They surely won’t be hypocritical Pharisees, and moreover not truth-hating and God-opposing antichrists. Then let’s have a look at today’s religious pastors and leaders. Most of them are cultivated from theological schools and not personally appointed and used by God. They merely study theology and the Bible. Their work and preaching only focus on talking about Bible knowledge, theology, or Bible characters and stories, historical backgrounds, and so forth. What they practice is also just teaching people to practice religious rituals and follow rules. They never pay attention to communicating the truth in God’s words, nor do they lead people to practice and experience God’s words or observe God’s commandments. They never discuss how they know themselves and their real experiences in life entry, and moreover never discuss true knowledge of God. Can such work and preaching attain the work of the Holy Spirit? Can such service satisfy God’s intentions? Can it lead us to practice the truth and enter onto the right track of believing in God? Explaining the Bible this way, aren’t they going their own path and resisting God? Especially when is expressing truths and performing His judgment work of the last days, these religious leaders clearly know that Almighty God’s words are all the truth and can purify and save people, and yet they do not seek and accept. Even more loathsome is that they won’t allow believers to read Almighty God’s words or listen to God’s voice. For the sake of protecting their status and livelihoods, they furiously slander and condemn Almighty God, and even coordinate with the CCP, the satanic regime, in arresting and persecuting evangelists. How are the actions and conduct of these pastors and elders any different to those of the Pharisees who resisted the Lord Jesus back in the day? Are they not stumbling blocks to us accepting the true way? How could these truth-hating and God-opposing people be appointed and used by God? Would God appoint these truth-hating people who obstruct God’s will to lead God’s chosen people? Certainly not. That’s the truth.
Some absurd people in religious circles often misuse words from the Bible to make up rules. They claim that the hypocritical Pharisees and religious pastors are all appointed and used by God. Isn’t this severely resisting and blaspheming God? Many people just don’t know how to distinguish. They believe in the Lord but don’t magnify Him, instead advocate gifts, status and power, and also blindly believe in and worship pastors and elders. They can’t distinguish whether one has the work of the Holy Spirit and the reality of the truth. They simply think as long as one has a pastor certificate and gifts and can analyze the Bible, it means he is approved and appointed by God, and that he should be obeyed. Some people are even more absurd and think obeying pastors and elders is obeying God, and that resisting and condemning pastors and elders is resisting God. If we go according to such notions, the Jewish chief priests, scribes, and Pharisees who were all familiar with the Bible and often explained the Bible to others, but resisted and condemned the Lord Jesus when He appeared and worked, and even crucified Him, were they people appointed and used by God? If one followed the Jewish leaders in resisting and condemning the Lord Jesus, does that mean they were obeying God? Would you say those who rejected Jewish leaders and followed the Lord Jesus were resisting God? This shows that the view “Obeying pastors and elders is obeying God, resisting and condemning pastors and elders is resisting God” really is too absurd and fallacious! We believers of God should be clear that if religious pastors and elders resist God, and the path they lead goes against the truth and opposes God, then we should stand on the side of God, expose them, and reject them. That is true obedience to God. That is forsaking darkness for light and is completely in line with God’s intentions. Therefore, when it comes to how to treat pastors and elders, we should pursue the truth and understand God’s intentions. If pastors and elders are people who love the truth and pursue the truth, then they will surely have the work of the Holy Spirit and be able to lead us to practice and experience God’s words, fearing God and shunning evil. Respecting and following such people accords with God’s intentions! If they don’t love the truth and only care about explaining their Bible knowledge and theological theories to show off and build themselves up, and to make us worship and obey them, if they don’t exalt God or bear witness to God, and don’t lead us to practice and experience God’s words, then they are people who have been condemned and cursed by God and we will be opposing God if we still worship, follow and obey them. This would be completely against God’s intentions. Isn’t that right?
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What exactly is obeying God and following God? Concerning this aspect of the truth, let us first read a passage of Almighty God’s words: “Of principal importance in following God is that everything should be according to the words of God today: Whether you are pursuing entry into life or the fulfillment of God’s will, everything should be centered around the words of God today. If what you commune and pursue are not centered around the words of God today, then you are a stranger to the words of God, and totally bereft of the work of the Holy Spirit. … Those who can follow the present work of the Holy Spirit, and who are able to follow the footsteps of God, such that they follow God wherever He leads them—these are people who are blessed by God. Those who do not follow the present work of the Holy Spirit have not entered into the work of God’s words, and no matter how much they work, or how great their suffering, or how much they run about, none of it means anything to God, and He will not commend them. … ‘Following the work of the Holy Spirit’ means understanding the will of God today, being able to act in accordance with the present requirements of God, being able to obey and follow the God of today, and entering in accordance with the newest utterances of God. Only this is someone who follows the work of the Holy Spirit and is in the stream of the Holy Spirit. Such people are not only capable of receiving God’s praise and seeing God, but can also know God’s disposition from the latest work of God, and can know man’s conceptions and disobedience, and man’s nature and substance, from His latest work; furthermore, they are able to gradually achieve changes in their disposition during their service. Only people such as this are those who are able to gain God, and who have genuinely found the true way” (“Know the Newest Work of God and Follow the Footsteps of God” in). Following God primarily refers to following God’s current work, submitting to and practicing God’s current words, being able to keep God’s commandments, seeking out God’s intentions in all matters, practicing in accordance with God’s word, and absolutely submitting to the work and guidance of the Holy Spirit. Finally, it refers to becoming a person who practices the truth and follows God’s will. Only by doing these things can someone be said to follow God and be someone who gains God’s . If we outwardly base our faith on the Bible and exalt the Bible, but in reality we practice and experience everything according to the words and teachings of man in the Bible instead of submitting to and practicing the word of God from the Bible. Also, we do not grasp God’s intentions and instead only adhere to religious ceremonies and rules, this is following man, not God. If we follow and practice the words of people from the Bible as if those were the words of God, yet consider the Lord Jesus a mere figurehead and ignore the words of the Lord Jesus and do nothing to follow His commandments, then we will surely be spurned and cursed by the Lord Jesus, which is just like what happened with the hypocritical Pharisees. There are many people who have faith in the Lord, yet they also maintain blind faith in spiritual celebrities or pastors and elders and they worship the hypocritical Pharisees. Whatever befalls them they run to the pastors and elders to seek guidance and they do the same when it comes to studying the true way. The result is they are deceived and misled by the hypocritical Pharisees and religious leaders and they start down the path toward resisting God, these are the consequences and ends of following man instead of God. The only way to truly follow God is to solely base our faith on following the work of the Holy Spirit, following the current words of God, following the footsteps of the Holy Spirit’s work, and giving our utmost to fulfill our duties. Especially as God does His work of judgment in the last days, the religious world has lost the Holy Spirit’s work and it has become desolate. When we are compelled to seek the true way, we must put even more focus on seeking the Holy Spirit’s words toward the churches and we must seek out the words and utterances of God and the work of the Holy Spirit. If we do not seek out the words and work of the Holy Spirit, if we are unable to hear the voice of God, if we are unable to gain what God’s current words provide for us, then we will instead be eliminated during God’s work in the last days and cast aside into the darkness of grief and sorrow. People who truly follow and submit to God will never be abandoned by Him. Those who worship religious pastors and elders are submitting to man and have become followers of man. These people will be revealed by God’s work in the last days and they shall be eliminated and cast aside.
Even though from our mouths we cry out that we believe in God and that we should only follow God and submit to Him, however, what happens in reality is not the same. We can see this clearly from the way that those of the Jewish faith in the Age of Grace treated the Lord Jesus in contrast to how Peter and John and others did. The Lord Jesus performed His new work, issued forth the truth, and brought the way of repentance, but most of the Jewish faithful at that time only listened to the teachings of the chief priests and the Pharisees and they did not accept the work and words of the Lord Jesus, and in the end they lost the salvation of the Lord Jesus. Nominally, they believed in God, but in reality they believed in the chief priests, scribes and Pharisees. However, Peter, John, Matthew, Philip, and others saw the authority and power that the words and work of the Lord Jesus carried and that they were the truth. They saw that the words and work of the Lord Jesus came from God and so they followed Him closely. They were not subject at all to the control of the Pharisees and they were the ones who truly followed and obeyed God. In the last days, the only way to truly follow and submit to God is to submit to Almightywork, for this fulfills the prophecy found in the Book of Revelation: “These are they which follow the Lamb wherever he goes” (Rev 14:4). Currently, leaders in the religious world are playing the role of the Jewish Pharisees and make every effort to exalt the words of man in the Bible, yet they betray the words of the Lord Jesus. What is even more absurd is that they exploit the Bible by citing quotes out of context to place condemnation on the work God does in the last days and they do this to deceive, bind, and control believers. For example, the Lord Jesus clearly stated that only “he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven” will enter the kingdom of heaven. Yet among the leaders in the religious world, they say that all one needs to do in his faith is to work hard and he may then enter the kingdom of heaven, and that the kingdom of heaven is something to be forcefully seized. The Lord Jesus required us: “You shall worship the Lord your God,” yet some so-called spiritual celebrities lead believers to seek out how to become God or to seek out becoming a king and wielding power over all nations and all peoples, which is thoroughly preposterous. Leaders in the religious world nominally do work for the Lord and preach sermons, but in reality they are just spreading the teachings of man and they are promoting their own ideas as the truth and they let us abide by those ideas. They are just like the hypocritical Pharisees and they are blindly trying to lead the way. They are resisting Christ and they claim to stand as equals with Christ; they are antichrists and they are working to create separate, independent kingdoms. Once we the faithful begin following the leaders and celebrities of the religious world, we begin going our own path and deviating from the Lord’s way; this is a very serious instance of resisting and betraying God. If we do not repent, we will surely be cast aside and eliminated by God.
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What is following God?
Following God primarily refers to following God’s current work, submitting to and practicing God’s current words, being able to keep God’s commandments, seeking out God’s intentions in all matters, practicing in accordance with God’s word, and absolutely submitting to the work and guidance of the Holy Spirit. Finally, it refers to becoming a person who practices the truth and follows God’s will. Only by doing these things can someone be said to follow God and be someone who gains God’s salvation.
We obey and submit to the pastors and elders in everything, is this the same as submitting to God? Is belief in God in this manner a way to achieve salvation?
“People who believe in God should obey God and worship Him. You should not exalt or look up to any person; you ought not to give first place to God, second place to the people you look up to, and third place to yourself. No person should hold a place in your heart, and you should not consider people—particularly those you venerate—to be on a par with God, to be His equal. This is intolerable to God.”
Question 2: I don’t think believing in God is that complicated and that one doesn’t need to be too focused or too invested in it. So long as I keep going to church every week, do my devotions and give alms, and in the normal course of events also attend some activities organized by the church, then this is believing in God and I can be saved. I’d like to ask whether this conception I have is correct or not?
“Belief in God” means believing that there is a God; this is the simplest concept of faith in God. What’s more, believing that there is a God is not the same as truly believing in God; rather, it is a kind of simple faith with strong religious overtones. True faith in God means experiencing the words and work of God based on a belief that God holds sovereignty over all things. …Only through such a journey can you be said to believe in God.
What is following man?
It is the same as people in religion, they believe in God in name, when in reality they all believe in the pastor, follow the pastor; the pastor is their Lord, the pastor is their God. ...always wants to hear how people speak, always wants to see how people act, and with every act and move is inseparable from others. This kind of person unwittingly becomes someone who believes in people and follows people. All those who look up to people too much, who worship people too much, in fact are believing in people and following people, and this is absolutely true.